. >> do you know how many on average get killed in britain or germany or australia? and i particularly mention britain and australia, because in 1996 we had a very similar attack in dunblane in scotland that killed 16 young children. we instituted a handgun ban. in australia they went further. they had a governor initiative to bring back guns. they would give people money in return for the guns. they banned assault weapons of the type you're seeing here causing this tragedy. and guess what? there have been no more shootings in schools in britain, in dunblane since that ban came in. and there has been no mass shooting in australia whatsoever since 1996. and i say to you -- >> the crime rates of guns have doubled. >> i say to you again, this statistic of 11,000 to 12,000 murders from guns, it is way, way ahead of any of the civilized countries of this world. it is a disgrace to america and to the american people that it's continued to happen. and the reasons it happens, and i say this with respect to you, is your facetious attitude comparing it to cars. the fact that e